Comments on: Derek Jeter: possibly overrated.

By: My First Hate Comment! Hooray! « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night

My First Hate Comment! Hooray! « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:18:48 +0000

[...] I finally received one that wasn’t either via Facebook (because who cares?) or the product of my mockery of Derek Jeter worship. Take it away, Summer Johnson: i cant seem to understand what your point is… [...]

By: This settles it. « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night

This settles it. « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:20:26 +0000

[...] Derek Jeter: possibly overrated. [...]

By: Tino Evangelou

Tino Evangelou — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:55:20 +0000

I sure did. As an example, not necessarily to make it a Met/Yankee thing.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:24:36 +0000

Let’s be fair. Tino brought up Reyes first.

By: Well, this makes me look dumb. « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night

Well, this makes me look dumb. « The Condor Never Sleeps At Night — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:28:40 +0000

[...] Derek Jeter: possibly overrated. [...]

By: gozer

gozer — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:08:49 +0000

I had a similar debate recently with a friend of mine. I wasn’t even really making a point about Jeter – I simply, in the course of a discussion, implied that at the very least Jeter is probably nearing the end of his prime, if for no other reason than that he’s 34-years-old, and while statistically anomalous years at an advanced age are far from unheard of (see: Jorge Posada), it doesn’t change the fact that invariably age is going to catch up with these guys – and probably sooner rather than later. I don’t think it’s unfair to suggest that Jeter’s best years are probably behind him. My Yankee-fan friend nearly bit my head off. It was as if I’d just slapped his mother. I swear, thin-skin when it comes to this Jeter character. It’s also funny how Jose Reyes always seems to pop up in the debate, as if Yankee fans are still indignant that another shortstop in New York had an MVP-type season (2006). And guess what? Reyes is quietly having another superlative year. Would I compare him to Jeter? Now why would I do something silly like that? Reyes is a lightning fast leadoff hitter with exceptional extra-base pop while Jeter is a clutch-hitting opposite field no. 2 hitter who excels at the intangibles. If you want to compare one shortstop’s defense to another’s, that’s fine, but I don’t see the value of comparing Reyes and Jeter as hitters. I’d compare Jeter to other No. 2 hitters around baseball, and if you look around the league, Jeter’s probably the creme of the crop. Likewise, there aren’t too many leadoff hitters that I’d take over Jose. But I’ve gone off-point, it seems…

By: Tino Evangelou

Tino Evangelou — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:40:00 +0000

Four rings is “enough fact” for you? Really stunning stuff. I look forward to your future rant on Paul O’Neill’s Hall of Fame candidacy and how he was the “clutchest right fielder ever”.

I’d be careful about “best shortstop in New York” quips for a while seeing as Reyes has a significantly higher OPS right now, is a better defensive player, and is a whole 9 years younger than Jeter (Hey, did you know Reyes had a better age 23 season than Jeter did? Who knew!). He had a terrible second half last year which brought his numbers into the kind of regression PECOTA predicted after 2006, but he’s taken it up another level this year.

Regardless, not relevant to the conversation in any way. As usual, an impressive job of rebutting arguments with hard evidence and not conjectural bullshit, or worse yet, changing the argument. Well done!

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:22:46 +0000

Frank then: Derek jeter Overrated? NO WAY!
Frank now: overrated right now, maybe

Jeter’s been good in the past. Now, overrated. Still a good player. Not the player you make him out to be.

By: Frank Negron Jr

Frank Negron Jr — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:16:51 +0000

ok so lets say jeter is overrated…hes got 4 rings. enough fact to me. yea we know his defense is in decline, n we know he’s not at jeter-like numbers right now, so what? overrated right now, maybe…but we’re talkin about in general and if thats the case, then no he’s not. remember when jose reyes was the best ss in ny? yea i dont remember when that happened bc it never did, but i did see reyes falter down the stretch last yr n was a BIG reason why the mets lost the top spot in the east, but thats a different story.

By: Tino Evangelou

Tino Evangelou — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:09:37 +0000

I should say, “two seasons where he was in the argument”, for Jeter. Sorry about that.